Comments on: Obama: Humbly setting out to save the world http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/ School's out. The New School is in session. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 06:49:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Arthus Erea http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1703 Arthus Erea Tue, 10 Jun 2008 14:58:07 +0000 http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1703 Fine, we get out of Iraq and/or costs go down dramatically. What's next? Iran. At least I know that with Obama as President we won't be starting wars based upon false intelligence. Japan and Korea were both legitimate wars, fought for good reasons beyond a vague "war on terror" (since we all know how well the "war on drugs" or "war on poverty" has gone). I'm all for less government, but if we want less government I want it to actually be *less* – across the board. Not just reallocating funds from welfare into espionage, war, and tax cuts for the wealthy. If Ron Paul was an actual candiate, he would have my support. But, he's not. And I can't stand the kind of social malarkey which mainstream Republicans (like John McCain) have come to stand for: trampling the constitution, spying on citizens, secret arrests, favoring big corporations over ordinary Americans (don't believe me? check out some recent trade agreements). If we tolerate 8 more years of this, we might as well shred the constitution since that's why McCain essentially will do. Fine, we get out of Iraq and/or costs go down dramatically. What’s next? Iran. At least I know that with Obama as President we won’t be starting wars based upon false intelligence.

Japan and Korea were both legitimate wars, fought for good reasons beyond a vague “war on terror” (since we all know how well the “war on drugs” or “war on poverty” has gone).

I’m all for less government, but if we want less government I want it to actually be *less* – across the board. Not just reallocating funds from welfare into espionage, war, and tax cuts for the wealthy.

If Ron Paul was an actual candiate, he would have my support. But, he’s not. And I can’t stand the kind of social malarkey which mainstream Republicans (like John McCain) have come to stand for: trampling the constitution, spying on citizens, secret arrests, favoring big corporations over ordinary Americans (don’t believe me? check out some recent trade agreements). If we tolerate 8 more years of this, we might as well shred the constitution since that’s why McCain essentially will do.

]]> By: Eftychis http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1702 Eftychis Tue, 10 Jun 2008 06:49:17 +0000 http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1702 Not exactly Arthus, with the current success in Iraq (the UN admits violence has declined 60% in the last year, according to a Reuters report last week) costs for US military operations will decrease significantly. The cost of maintaining US troops in Japan or Korea is marginal and provides regional security, that is the kind of commitment McCain is talking about. And as Ryan says, eventually America will get out of Iraq-one way or another. However, a welfare state is an impossible burden to lift (and probably could not happen without armed revolution to totally reconstitute a government) and no nation in history has been able to remove themselves from the absurd commitment of government sponsored free lunch. Not even Thatcher could dismantle the atrocious British health system, and there have been seldom reformers of her stature in any other welfare states. Not exactly Arthus, with the current success in Iraq (the UN admits violence has declined 60% in the last year, according to a Reuters report last week) costs for US military operations will decrease significantly. The cost of maintaining US troops in Japan or Korea is marginal and provides regional security, that is the kind of commitment McCain is talking about.

And as Ryan says, eventually America will get out of Iraq-one way or another. However, a welfare state is an impossible burden to lift (and probably could not happen without armed revolution to totally reconstitute a government) and no nation in history has been able to remove themselves from the absurd commitment of government sponsored free lunch.

Not even Thatcher could dismantle the atrocious British health system, and there have been seldom reformers of her stature in any other welfare states.

]]> By: Arthus Erea http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1701 Arthus Erea Tue, 10 Jun 2008 00:10:55 +0000 http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1701 You're right, nothing costs $10,000 trillion. However, McCain has pledged to stay in Iraq for "100 years" if need be. (I realize that won't happen and it is rather crazy, but it's an example of a larger problem) The projected cost over 100 years would be 10 quadrillion dollars. You’re right, nothing costs $10,000 trillion. However, McCain has pledged to stay in Iraq for “100 years” if need be. (I realize that won’t happen and it is rather crazy, but it’s an example of a larger problem)

The projected cost over 100 years would be 10 quadrillion dollars.

]]> By: Ryan http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1700 Ryan Mon, 09 Jun 2008 23:59:32 +0000 http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1700 Indeed our foreign policy can be very excessive and costly. But while silly wars come and go, the welfare state is forever. And, nothing costs $10,000 trillion. Indeed our foreign policy can be very excessive and costly. But while silly wars come and go, the welfare state is forever.

And, nothing costs $10,000 trillion.

]]> By: Arthus Erea http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1698 Arthus Erea Mon, 09 Jun 2008 20:25:42 +0000 http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/obama-humbly-setting-out-to-save-the-world/#comment-1698 I'd rather be paying government for a $300 billion dollar "atrocity of a farm bill" than a $10,000 trillion dollar war for "100 years." I’d rather be paying government for a $300 billion dollar “atrocity of a farm bill” than a $10,000 trillion dollar war for “100 years.”

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