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	<title>Comments on: John Edwards&#8217; Universal Healthcare Plan</title>
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		<title>By: Arthus Erea</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-460</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthus Erea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Health care is equated with insurance because it is a risk not to have insurance. Even if you live a healthy life style, there are so many diseases in the world that you could randomly develop one. You can't control your family history and such. And since these diseases usually cost exorbinate ammounts of money to treat, most people are willing to pay for insurance in case you should develop one.

I am not saying that savings plans would not work better, but health care for extreme diseases is so expensive that you have to be at least upper middle class to afford it without sacrificing quality of life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Health care is equated with insurance because it is a risk not to have insurance. Even if you live a healthy life style, there are so many diseases in the world that you could randomly develop one. You can&#8217;t control your family history and such. And since these diseases usually cost exorbinate ammounts of money to treat, most people are willing to pay for insurance in case you should develop one.</p>
<p>I am not saying that savings plans would not work better, but health care for extreme diseases is so expensive that you have to be at least upper middle class to afford it without sacrificing quality of life.</p>
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		<title>By: Chou</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-459</link>
		<dc:creator>Chou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fail to see why people continually equate healthcare with insurance.  Can't it be possible, perhaps, for people to simply not have insurance?  One can have non-profit charities and such to help pay for lower classes, but why not remove the middleman of insurance brokers and simply pay for treatments.  This will discourage people from unhealthy lifestyles.  HMO's are basically like special loaning rates for poor people: they promise good things but almost always end up robbing you of everything.  The government is responsible for HMO's, fyi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fail to see why people continually equate healthcare with insurance.  Can&#8217;t it be possible, perhaps, for people to simply not have insurance?  One can have non-profit charities and such to help pay for lower classes, but why not remove the middleman of insurance brokers and simply pay for treatments.  This will discourage people from unhealthy lifestyles.  HMO&#8217;s are basically like special loaning rates for poor people: they promise good things but almost always end up robbing you of everything.  The government is responsible for HMO&#8217;s, fyi.</p>
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		<title>By: Arthus Erea</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-458</link>
		<dc:creator>Arthus Erea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 00:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it is time we stopped taking middle ground on these issues. Seriously, we have the mess today because government tried to impose laws upon the market. Actually, I think the worst policy is employer provided insurance - it just doesn't work. Many businesses cannot afford to provide it and it is hard to negotiate the bureacrcacry. It also forces people to stay in lousy jobs because they provide insurace. This in turn makes the free market less competitive since people don't truly have the freedom to switch jobs at will.
However, I don't support universal health care either. If I am a poor student who has never gotten sick in my life, I should not have to pay for the "best care" for everyone around me. It should be my choice to negotiate how I want to get my own health care - if I am a healthy person who can afford to pay out of the pocket for anything I might develop, that can be my choice.
However, I do agree that health care prices are outrageous. It should not be a choice between heating your home and getting decent health care. Therefore, I think the government should enter the insurance industry on a greater level. Not with tax payer dollars, with subscriber dollars - just like a typical insurance agency. Except, the government wouldn't need to make a profit. The program would just be able to pay for itself.
In terms of creating this program, I think Edwards has a couple of good ideas:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Our health care system is predominantly fee-for-service: providers are paid for each treatment, regardless of its necessity or quality. For example, a hospital that botches a surgery is often paid for the error and then paid again to fix it. Our system should pay doctors for results, encouraging better, more efficient care.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The government run insurance agency would pay doctors based upon how much work is done: no more paying for an hour of time when you only need 5 minutes. No more paying for a botched surgery. I wouldn't pay somebody for a bad service in another industry, so why should I pay the doctor for a bad service?
&lt;blockquote&gt;• Creating computerized physician order entry to eliminate lost paperwork and illegible writing.

~Who’s going to pay for this?

o Developing computerized patient reminder systems to improve compliance with treatments, such as automatic phone calls home to remind patients to take needed medication to help keep them healthy and out of the hospital.
~Who’s going to pay for this?

o Using handheld devices to allow hospital staff to communicate results directly to physicians, instead of wasting time trying to find a doctor with urgent information.

~Who’s going to pay for this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I disagree in your statements that these computerized services would necessarily cost more. They pay for themselves pretty fast by using fewer consumables and allowing greater efficiency.

In short, I think the government should enter the insurance industry as a non-profit, ethical agency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it is time we stopped taking middle ground on these issues. Seriously, we have the mess today because government tried to impose laws upon the market. Actually, I think the worst policy is employer provided insurance - it just doesn&#8217;t work. Many businesses cannot afford to provide it and it is hard to negotiate the bureacrcacry. It also forces people to stay in lousy jobs because they provide insurace. This in turn makes the free market less competitive since people don&#8217;t truly have the freedom to switch jobs at will.<br />
However, I don&#8217;t support universal health care either. If I am a poor student who has never gotten sick in my life, I should not have to pay for the &#8220;best care&#8221; for everyone around me. It should be my choice to negotiate how I want to get my own health care - if I am a healthy person who can afford to pay out of the pocket for anything I might develop, that can be my choice.<br />
However, I do agree that health care prices are outrageous. It should not be a choice between heating your home and getting decent health care. Therefore, I think the government should enter the insurance industry on a greater level. Not with tax payer dollars, with subscriber dollars - just like a typical insurance agency. Except, the government wouldn&#8217;t need to make a profit. The program would just be able to pay for itself.<br />
In terms of creating this program, I think Edwards has a couple of good ideas:</p>
<blockquote><p>Our health care system is predominantly fee-for-service: providers are paid for each treatment, regardless of its necessity or quality. For example, a hospital that botches a surgery is often paid for the error and then paid again to fix it. Our system should pay doctors for results, encouraging better, more efficient care.</p></blockquote>
<p>The government run insurance agency would pay doctors based upon how much work is done: no more paying for an hour of time when you only need 5 minutes. No more paying for a botched surgery. I wouldn&#8217;t pay somebody for a bad service in another industry, so why should I pay the doctor for a bad service?</p>
<blockquote><p>• Creating computerized physician order entry to eliminate lost paperwork and illegible writing.</p>
<p>~Who’s going to pay for this?</p>
<p>o Developing computerized patient reminder systems to improve compliance with treatments, such as automatic phone calls home to remind patients to take needed medication to help keep them healthy and out of the hospital.<br />
~Who’s going to pay for this?</p>
<p>o Using handheld devices to allow hospital staff to communicate results directly to physicians, instead of wasting time trying to find a doctor with urgent information.</p>
<p>~Who’s going to pay for this?</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree in your statements that these computerized services would necessarily cost more. They pay for themselves pretty fast by using fewer consumables and allowing greater efficiency.</p>
<p>In short, I think the government should enter the insurance industry as a non-profit, ethical agency.</p>
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		<title>By: Chou</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-455</link>
		<dc:creator>Chou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 13:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those European countries that you all mentioned are very different from the United States in 3 different ways: Firstly, they are a lot more homogenous than the United States, allowing several social programs to be more effective.  
I also do not believe it would exclude people.  Consider: before the 1970 implementation of HMO's, many people were able to simply visit the doctor and pay a fee, one that is more easily obtainable.  There is also a difference: the system that our country wants to implement is a single-payer system: that is, each time a patient visits, regardless of treatment, the doctor gets paid a set fee through the government.  Insurance companies are like loans in this case: they promise easy money, but charge extravagently and force people out.  In a purely, non-government intervention capitalist system, insurance would not be synonymous with healthcare.  Some people can choose to purchase it, while others can choose not to.  In our society, all businesses must purchase it, and thus it is unfair.  

Here's another thing.  Suppose two people are paying into the system.  Lets say they both have tuberculosis.  One of them takes their pills and follows their doctor's instructions, and are cured in 6 months.  The other fails to do so, develops MDR-TB, and requrires an expensive regimen of drugs over a longer period of time.  How is this fair to the first person, that he/she would have to pay for someone else's stupidity?  Now lets imagine this on a grander scale.  People whom choose to smoke do not have the right to impose their terminal lung cancer charges on my status.  People whom choose to devour large amounts of cholestrol beefsteak do not have the right to impose their coronary triple bypass on my taxes.  In Europe, people are more conservative and healthy because they choose not to do things that would result in a prevelance of easily preventable disease.  Not so in America: thus, our systems are not as compatabile as the Democrats may suggest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those European countries that you all mentioned are very different from the United States in 3 different ways: Firstly, they are a lot more homogenous than the United States, allowing several social programs to be more effective.<br />
I also do not believe it would exclude people.  Consider: before the 1970 implementation of HMO&#8217;s, many people were able to simply visit the doctor and pay a fee, one that is more easily obtainable.  There is also a difference: the system that our country wants to implement is a single-payer system: that is, each time a patient visits, regardless of treatment, the doctor gets paid a set fee through the government.  Insurance companies are like loans in this case: they promise easy money, but charge extravagently and force people out.  In a purely, non-government intervention capitalist system, insurance would not be synonymous with healthcare.  Some people can choose to purchase it, while others can choose not to.  In our society, all businesses must purchase it, and thus it is unfair.  </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s another thing.  Suppose two people are paying into the system.  Lets say they both have tuberculosis.  One of them takes their pills and follows their doctor&#8217;s instructions, and are cured in 6 months.  The other fails to do so, develops MDR-TB, and requrires an expensive regimen of drugs over a longer period of time.  How is this fair to the first person, that he/she would have to pay for someone else&#8217;s stupidity?  Now lets imagine this on a grander scale.  People whom choose to smoke do not have the right to impose their terminal lung cancer charges on my status.  People whom choose to devour large amounts of cholestrol beefsteak do not have the right to impose their coronary triple bypass on my taxes.  In Europe, people are more conservative and healthy because they choose not to do things that would result in a prevelance of easily preventable disease.  Not so in America: thus, our systems are not as compatabile as the Democrats may suggest.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-454</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 07:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remain to be convinced that a health care system run PURELY on market terms would work. It would ALWAYS exclude some people, mainly on the grounds of ability to pay, so how do you cover those people? Or is it OK that some people can't have access to healthcare because they're not rich enough or perhaps too sick already (making them uninsurable or insurable at a ridiculous cost)?

Look at the social health insurance systems like Germany, France &#38; Belgium which combine public &#38; private health insurance. In Belgium for example (where I live), you don't have the problem of losing your insurance/having to pay higher premiums when you change jobs or even if you lose your job because the mutual (non-profit) health insurance funds are not linked to your job (but do get funding via your social security contributions).  This means that if you have the misfortune to be unemployed or too ill to work, you still have access to healthcare. 

Also in a social health insurance system, funding &#38; risks are pooled, so the "unused" contributions of healthy people help pay for the healthcare of the not so healthy, rather than making profit for the insurance company. Sometimes they even give extra benefits to all members of a fund, for example, my "mutuelle" (mutual health insurance fund) increased the annual number of physio/osteopathy sessions reimbursed without doctor referral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remain to be convinced that a health care system run PURELY on market terms would work. It would ALWAYS exclude some people, mainly on the grounds of ability to pay, so how do you cover those people? Or is it OK that some people can&#8217;t have access to healthcare because they&#8217;re not rich enough or perhaps too sick already (making them uninsurable or insurable at a ridiculous cost)?</p>
<p>Look at the social health insurance systems like Germany, France &amp; Belgium which combine public &amp; private health insurance. In Belgium for example (where I live), you don&#8217;t have the problem of losing your insurance/having to pay higher premiums when you change jobs or even if you lose your job because the mutual (non-profit) health insurance funds are not linked to your job (but do get funding via your social security contributions).  This means that if you have the misfortune to be unemployed or too ill to work, you still have access to healthcare. </p>
<p>Also in a social health insurance system, funding &amp; risks are pooled, so the &#8220;unused&#8221; contributions of healthy people help pay for the healthcare of the not so healthy, rather than making profit for the insurance company. Sometimes they even give extra benefits to all members of a fund, for example, my &#8220;mutuelle&#8221; (mutual health insurance fund) increased the annual number of physio/osteopathy sessions reimbursed without doctor referral.</p>
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		<title>By: Chou</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>Chou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 01:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) The US Healthcare system is complete garbage.  I'm not disputing that.  I'm just saying that this proposed solution is only going to exchange one set of problems for another.
2) Healthcare is not neccessarily such a public good.  Heres a comparison.  Firefighters all put out fires.  There's no major difference between each kind of fire, and they don't need a complex degree.  Same with policemen.  Education is not a public good either-many people choose to send their children to private schools that don't recieve a dime of taxpayer money.  They questionably may have more opportunities, than, say, a poor student attending a standard public school.  Doctors, likewise, have many specialties, and unlike these other jobs, requrie a lot more money and time spent in schooling.  I for one intend to be a doctor, but if I wanted to be a federal employee, I would've signed up for the DMV.  If I go into internal medicine, that is different, from, say, a brain surgeon.  
3) The United States Congress created a law that forced all employers to have HMO's for their workers.  Although this is seemingly a good thing, this resulted in the mess we have today.  A much better solution would to not require HMO's, because this would encourage competition and smaller HMO's, rather than large, beauracratic messes that feed off of Congress' excesses.  Easy come, easy go, as they say.  It's how incentives work.
4) This is not market failure because this is not a free market.  It is a protective, nearly monopolized system that excludes outside competition or alternatives, and such cannot be considered as being an example of the free market.  
The overall scheme is, out of the frying pan, into the fire.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) The US Healthcare system is complete garbage.  I&#8217;m not disputing that.  I&#8217;m just saying that this proposed solution is only going to exchange one set of problems for another.<br />
2) Healthcare is not neccessarily such a public good.  Heres a comparison.  Firefighters all put out fires.  There&#8217;s no major difference between each kind of fire, and they don&#8217;t need a complex degree.  Same with policemen.  Education is not a public good either-many people choose to send their children to private schools that don&#8217;t recieve a dime of taxpayer money.  They questionably may have more opportunities, than, say, a poor student attending a standard public school.  Doctors, likewise, have many specialties, and unlike these other jobs, requrie a lot more money and time spent in schooling.  I for one intend to be a doctor, but if I wanted to be a federal employee, I would&#8217;ve signed up for the DMV.  If I go into internal medicine, that is different, from, say, a brain surgeon.<br />
3) The United States Congress created a law that forced all employers to have HMO&#8217;s for their workers.  Although this is seemingly a good thing, this resulted in the mess we have today.  A much better solution would to not require HMO&#8217;s, because this would encourage competition and smaller HMO&#8217;s, rather than large, beauracratic messes that feed off of Congress&#8217; excesses.  Easy come, easy go, as they say.  It&#8217;s how incentives work.<br />
4) This is not market failure because this is not a free market.  It is a protective, nearly monopolized system that excludes outside competition or alternatives, and such cannot be considered as being an example of the free market.<br />
The overall scheme is, out of the frying pan, into the fire.</p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Taylor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 12:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few comments from a European health policy wonk:

(1) If the US healthcare system is so good, why does no-one else copy it?
(NB: the USA is the ONLY developed nation with no universal system of healthcare). 

And don't use the "many people come to the US for first rate medical care argument" because it really should be "many RICH people come to the US for first rate medical care". 

(2) Healthcare is what economists call a "public good", the same as education, police and fire fighters; this means it will never be fully catered for by the market. In other words there will always be an element of market failure; the question is how to deal with the market failure. 

Apparently Singapore has a good system whereby the market &#38; the state come together, see: 

http://rru.worldbank.org/Discussions/Discussion.aspx?id=23
http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/05/18/singapores-healthcare-system-uniquely-singapore/

(3) Universal healthcare systems don't have to be monolithic soviet style state run bureaucracies, the healthcare systems of Belgium, Germany, Sweden, France or Finland (and probably many others) certainly couldn't be described as such, and yet all offer universal  healthcare provision and all are cheaper (in terms of GDP per capita spent on healthcare) than the US. 

(4) This article implies that a universal healthcare system will incur high bureaucratic costs, but from what I've read about the US healthcare system, the huge bureaucractic costs are in a large part due to healthcare providers having to deal with so many different insurance schemes. Another example of market failure?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few comments from a European health policy wonk:</p>
<p>(1) If the US healthcare system is so good, why does no-one else copy it?<br />
(NB: the USA is the ONLY developed nation with no universal system of healthcare). </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t use the &#8220;many people come to the US for first rate medical care argument&#8221; because it really should be &#8220;many RICH people come to the US for first rate medical care&#8221;. </p>
<p>(2) Healthcare is what economists call a &#8220;public good&#8221;, the same as education, police and fire fighters; this means it will never be fully catered for by the market. In other words there will always be an element of market failure; the question is how to deal with the market failure. </p>
<p>Apparently Singapore has a good system whereby the market &amp; the state come together, see: </p>
<p><a href="http://rru.worldbank.org/Discussions/Discussion.aspx?id=23" rel="nofollow">http://rru.worldbank.org/Discussions/Discussion.aspx?id=23</a><br />
<a href="http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/05/18/singapores-healthcare-system-uniquely-singapore/" rel="nofollow">http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/05/18/singapores-healthcare-system-uniquely-singapore/</a></p>
<p>(3) Universal healthcare systems don&#8217;t have to be monolithic soviet style state run bureaucracies, the healthcare systems of Belgium, Germany, Sweden, France or Finland (and probably many others) certainly couldn&#8217;t be described as such, and yet all offer universal  healthcare provision and all are cheaper (in terms of GDP per capita spent on healthcare) than the US. </p>
<p>(4) This article implies that a universal healthcare system will incur high bureaucratic costs, but from what I&#8217;ve read about the US healthcare system, the huge bureaucractic costs are in a large part due to healthcare providers having to deal with so many different insurance schemes. Another example of market failure?</p>
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		<title>By: The EU-US healthcare divide &#171; Public Affairs 2.0</title>
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		<dc:creator>The EU-US healthcare divide &#171; Public Affairs 2.0</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.newschoolpolitics.com/2008/john-edwards-universal-healthcare-plan/#comment-434</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Aug 2007 15:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As i read through the specifics of Edward's health plan it becomes pretty simple to reduce what it is all about...

There are a lot of specifics in the plan, as if he was the CEO of a healthcare company enumerating what he would do as the Chief Executive. The only difference is he is not a CEO of a private health service provider--he is a politician who wants to be able to control an entire industry of health service providers.

Essentially, Edwards wants to replace market forces in healthcare with political forces. The question of practicality in this case is whether you believe that the government or free market will create better incentives for the expansion and innovation of medicine.

The answer to me is simple...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As i read through the specifics of Edward&#8217;s health plan it becomes pretty simple to reduce what it is all about&#8230;</p>
<p>There are a lot of specifics in the plan, as if he was the CEO of a healthcare company enumerating what he would do as the Chief Executive. The only difference is he is not a CEO of a private health service provider&#8211;he is a politician who wants to be able to control an entire industry of health service providers.</p>
<p>Essentially, Edwards wants to replace market forces in healthcare with political forces. The question of practicality in this case is whether you believe that the government or free market will create better incentives for the expansion and innovation of medicine.</p>
<p>The answer to me is simple&#8230;</p>
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